I'm fairly certain I said no interruptions.

Buffy ,'Potential'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Calli - Nov 12, 2009 1:33:25 pm PST #19011 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I haven't been in a while, but I remember my Unitarian Universalist congregation having a number of former Catholics, including at least one priest.


Dana - Nov 12, 2009 1:34:56 pm PST #19012 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I'm not sure the Catholic Church has a mechanism for splitting. If you're not with the Vatican, they kind of tend to excommunicate you.


Vortex - Nov 12, 2009 1:36:29 pm PST #19013 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

But Jesus asked God to forgive those who crucified him, even though, "They know not what they do."

But these people know exactly what they were doing.


Zenkitty - Nov 12, 2009 1:36:55 pm PST #19014 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

But don't they then go off to become their own church, and kinda thumb their nose at the Vatican? Anglican, Protestant, Episcopalian... right? This is not my strongest subject.


javachik - Nov 12, 2009 1:38:40 pm PST #19015 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Connie: here's the doggie story.


msbelle - Nov 12, 2009 1:39:38 pm PST #19016 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Well Anglican was a KING taking all the churches of his nation away, right? Not really the same as a bunch of individual churches getting together at whatever their version of General Assembly is (they have one right?) and stating issues with current church doctrine/decisions/whatnot. FTR all my knowledge of how churches run is from the Methodist church.


Dana - Nov 12, 2009 1:41:10 pm PST #19017 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

But don't they then go off to become their own church, and kinda thumb their nose at the Vatican? Anglican, Protestant, Episcopalian... right?

They don't really do that any more. At least, not that I'm aware of, though if there's a Catholic offshoot that also worships the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I'd consider it.


JZ - Nov 12, 2009 1:43:11 pm PST #19018 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Have there been large splits in the Catholic church like in the SBC splitting off and the recent Episcopalian splinters?

Other than the crackety-crackheads like Mel Gibson's family who feel that the current church is too dominated by the Scary Left and have formed a pre-Vatican II splinter, none that I know of. If a pro-gay-rights, pro-women's-ordination, pro-reproductive-rights splinter group formed I'd wobble badly. And if my parish splintered off, I'd go with them in a heartbeat.

And, er, yes, I realize that in the second sentence above I basically just completely described the Episcopal church in America. It's just...I love my little band of misfits, standing vigil at the gates of San Quentin when there's an execution, stubbornly using the gender-inclusive and neutral language that was recently forbidden, speaking up during the Prayers for the Faithful to ask for the ordination of women, getting arrested every Thanksgiving crossing the line at Fort Benning/SOA, marching on every union picket line in the East Bay, the priest who preached against Prop 8.

That's the altar where Hec and I married each other (I asked the old priest, "Do you still marry people?" and he said, "Well, I stand there while people marry each other"). There's the band of little old ladies who knitted booties for Matilda and bring her Mardi Gras beads and trinkets. There are all these people who are amazing and humbling to know and endlessly kind and a second family. I hate what the bossmen are doing to the bigger church, but I can't imagine life without this family.


Kathy A - Nov 12, 2009 1:43:54 pm PST #19019 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Just about every Catholic I've known who has gotten disenchanted with the Church has left it to join another one. The only ones who tend to want to splinter off into their own group and still call themselves "Catholic" are the ultraconservatives, like that French bishop who counts among his adherents Mel Gibson's dad.


DavidS - Nov 12, 2009 1:50:52 pm PST #19020 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

that was recently forbidden

Schism! Schism!