If you want crisp cold mornings and cool afternoons you should live somewhere it rarely gets hot. Then you won't have to wait for autumn for it to be true.

I dunno. I like distinct seasons. For example, just when I start to get sick of winter, spring arrives.

That was the freaky think about San Francisco weather to me - no distinct seasons. (Except for it being cooler and rainy during "winter").

I drink hot chocolate in the middle of summer in the high desert. In fact, I need more hot chocolate now, but I don't do the grocering anymore, so I never end up with any. It's not something I remember to put on the list (ice creem sandwichs!) which is too bad, because the SO does pretty good about coming home with whatever I've asked for. I think he's a little baffled with what I'm doing with all that plain yogurt, but he buys it.

I still love autumn, but not here. I miss midwestern autumn. Here it's just weird, windy and occasionally warm and occasionally cold. I much prefer winter here. But that's mostly because of our passive solar design house. It's so lovely in winter, flooded with light and warmth and cozy and protected but letting you look out over the snow covered cedars.

Random Bjork fact: when she was 14 she formed an all girl punk band named Spit and Snot. God, that's awesome.

As if the world needed another reason to love on Bjork. Rock.

I hate American Apparel because everyone uses them for their t-shirts and they run ridiculously small. I mean, I'm not crazy tiny or anything, but when I can't fit into an XL women's t-shirt, something is wrong.

I like distinct seasons.

Me, too, tommyrot.

Dana- I thought of you last night when I heard the most horrible rehearsal of a musical revue that included songs from Assasins. I think very few people should attempt the part of Samuel Byck with the rather off key "where's my prize-- I want my prize". Certainly not these college students.

That was the freaky think about San Francisco weather to me - no distinct seasons. (Except for it being cooler and rainy during "winter").

Pfft. You know I've lived all over the country: Oregon, Florida, Ohio, Boston, LA, SF. Canada too. Only Ohio has four classic distinct seasons.

In Boston it's like autumn from September into early December. Then it's Winter all the way into April. Then you get a couple weeks of rain and mud and then it's muggy and overcast and yucky in the summer. Spring is hardly even there in Boston! It lasts like two weeks.

Anywhere North or South of Ohio is going to have a very different set of seasonal associations than is commonly portrayed.

Seasons in San Francisco: Spring (which starts in February), First Summer (May to mid June), Foggy Time (July and August); First Fall - September; Second Summer - October; Second Fall - November until...; Rainy and Dark - December and January.

There are also very distinct seasons for allergy sufferers here, including Those Fucking Developers Only Put In Male Trees, and Time of the Sneeze Inducing Fungus, as well as the more usual Hay Fever exacerbations.

You know I've lived all over the country: Oregon, Florida, Ohio, Boston, LA, SF. Canada too. Only Ohio has four classic distinct seasons.

Montreal and Ottawa had four pretty distinct seasons--just winter was longer than advertised. As far as I can remember Detroit did a fairly good impersonation of four.

Fall means outside without sweating and no forest fires, here. Fall rocks.

Besides San Francisco, I've only lived in Chicago, Minneapolis and several Wisconsin cities. So for me, "classic" distinct seasons is the norm.

Only Ohio has four classic distinct seasons.

I beg to differ.