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Jesse - Nov 10, 2009 5:05:30 pm PST #18539 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Corn muffins.


Cashmere - Nov 10, 2009 5:05:43 pm PST #18540 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

The corn bread muffins win.

It's black bean chilli.


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2009 5:06:49 pm PST #18541 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Corn muffins.

Big surprise, you going with the muffins.

I just found out that Pink does a cover of I Touch Myself. It's quite smoking. But my craving was for The Divinyls, so that's where my ninety nine cents went.


Jesse - Nov 10, 2009 5:07:42 pm PST #18542 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Big surprise, you going with the muffins.

I know, right.


sarameg - Nov 10, 2009 5:08:44 pm PST #18543 of 30001

Corn bread will work too!


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2009 5:10:16 pm PST #18544 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

My parent attending church doesn't affect my ethnicity.

His mother converting in an Orthodox ceremony or a Masorti ceremony doesn't affect his ethnicity. But that is what affected the decision.

If the court went with the decision that a kid considered Jewish by any mainstream denomination would be considered Jewish, then any kid raised in a Jewish household from the age of 7 or younger would be considered Jewish, since that's the definition the Liberal movement uses.


Typo Boy - Nov 10, 2009 5:10:33 pm PST #18545 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The school is claiming someone is not Jewish (implicitly for ethnic reasons) and then discriminating against them. That is ethnic discrimination whether the judgement is right or wrong. If the Duch Orthodox church decide a white person was Black and refused to admit them for that reason, the wrongful identification of ethinicity would not keep it from being discrimination. If you are excluding people based on a definition of religious identity base on what their parents did before their birth, that is ethnic discrimination under UK law. What ethnicity you actually are is a separate issue.


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2009 5:12:01 pm PST #18546 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

If you are excluding people based on a definition of religious identity base on what their parents did before their birth, that is ethnic discrimination under UK law.

But then why is it OK to exclude people based on a definition of religious identity based on what their parents did after their birth?


Steph L. - Nov 10, 2009 5:12:33 pm PST #18547 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I'm taking a poll. If you were getting a meal of chilli, would you prefer corn muffins or crackers with the chilli?

Always the crackers, you freaks! (Not just on Cincinnati chili; on Texas chili, too.)

Corn muffins. Sheesh.

(I like corn muffins, but with apple butter on them. Nom.)


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2009 5:27:52 pm PST #18548 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Here's where my main issue with the ruling is:

Applying this reasoning to the present case, it appears to us clear (a) that Jews constitute a racial group defined principally by ethnic origin and additionally by conversion, and (b) that to discriminate against a person on the ground that he or someone else either is or is not Jewish is therefore to discriminate against him on racial grounds.

So a Jewish school is allowed to give preference to Jewish students, but is not allowed to give preference to Jewish students? There was a girl in my middle school who was Catholic, but came to synagogue a lot because some of her friends were Jewish and she wanted to hang out with them. (There was also a Jewish girl who frequently went to the Catholic church for the same reason, but she's kind of irrelevant to this.) This girl was still Catholic. If she had this level of synagogue attendance and also volunteered as a camp counselor at the JCC (or whatever the British equivalent is), she might qualify as Jewish under the new rules. She had no intent of converting, but I can easily see her wanting to go to this school because that's where her friends were going, and her parents probably would have said OK. (This school is considered VERY good academically.) So if the rule is that Jewish kids get preference, because they want to give Jewish kids the first chance at Jewish education, what is the reasoning for giving her preference?