Everything looks good from here... Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land.' I think we should call it 'your grave!' Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh! Now die! Oh, no, God! Oh, dear God in heaven!

Wash ,'Serenity'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Typo Boy - Nov 10, 2009 4:54:56 pm PST #18528 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

But I found a bunch of Christian schools in the UK that say that a kid gets preference if his or her parent regularly attends church.

None which base that on attendence before the child's birth. Note that post-birth conversion would not make the child Jewish.

It makes no sense to say that Judaism is enough of a religion that it can have a Jewish school where they're allowed to give preference to Jewish kids, but not enough of a religion that the religious rules defining who those Jewish kids are don't hold.

The judge actually answer that question with the example of the Dutch Orthodox Church which does not recognize Black people as capable of being Christian. Until quite recently, the Mormon Church had similarly discrimantory policies (well not quite the same -more the way Catholics treat women). The right of a religion to designate stuff and HAVE IT ENFORCED is not unlimited. Old joke: How legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Answer: four, calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.

I admit, I look forward to seeing Catholic Schools in the UK required to train woman as Priests, even though the religious branch will never actually admit them to the Priesthood.


Burrell - Nov 10, 2009 4:58:12 pm PST #18529 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I'm sorry, msbelle.

It's not just me.

It's not. I'm pretty sure DH says both too.


Lee - Nov 10, 2009 4:59:01 pm PST #18530 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think I caught what Dana had this morning.

There is not a single food item in my apartment that I am sure I could eat without puking.


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2009 4:59:15 pm PST #18531 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But I found a bunch of Christian schools in the UK that say that a kid gets preference if his or her parent regularly attends church.

Christianity doesn't cross ethnicity/religion lines. My parent attending church doesn't affect my ethnicity.

They should have enforced that preference at the convent school my sister went to. She mistakenly took communion (we're godless heathens) and was scarred for years because of it.


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2009 5:00:11 pm PST #18532 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Hmm. I'm reading through the decision, and it seems like part of the argument is that, if they say that Jewishness is not a race or ethnicity, then that will set a precedent that antisemitic acts can't be prosecuted under the laws against racial or ethnic discrimination. But wouldn't it be an immediate corollary of that reasoning that this decision would set a precedent that Jewishness is an ethnicity and this kid (and all other people who are the children of converts, or are converts themselves) are not ethnically Jewish and therefore antisemitic acts against them could not be considered ethnic discrimination? I mean, the court can't rule that the same person was discriminated against for being part of an ethnic group and also for not being part of that ethnic group, right?


Lee - Nov 10, 2009 5:01:34 pm PST #18533 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Sorry for the bad night, msbelle.


Cashmere - Nov 10, 2009 5:01:38 pm PST #18534 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Sorry about the bad night, msbelle.

I'm taking a poll. If you were getting a meal of chilli, would you prefer corn muffins or crackers with the chilli?


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2009 5:01:57 pm PST #18535 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Corn muffins.


Jessica - Nov 10, 2009 5:02:48 pm PST #18536 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

What kind of chili?

Texas - corn bread / Cincinnati - oyster crackers


DavidS - Nov 10, 2009 5:02:58 pm PST #18537 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Corn bread.