Cordelia: I get it now. You're all spies. Probably all Russian. And you've brainwashed me, and want me to believe we're friends so I'll spill the beans about some nano-technology thingy that you want. Gunn: So I look Russian to you? Cordelia: Black Russian. Angel: That's a drink.

'Hell Bound'


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erikaj - Jan 07, 2010 9:23:26 am PST #6024 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

I have told my friends that looking at Adrian Grenier was one of the first time I understood those idiots that shout stuff at women on the street. And I find myself wondering if you could(or should) describe a male actor as an "ingenue" ever.(Michael Cera, anyone? Though I don't really *want* him, it might fit him better than Grenier.) So I suppose "VincentChaseInIceCreamTopping" could be a Sociological Image, too.


bon bon - Jan 07, 2010 9:23:42 am PST #6025 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Bewitched can easily be read as the tensions of being gay and passing as straight in a repressive American culture.

I say this with all love--some people have too much time on their hands.

This sounds like we're back to the reason for Moff's law. It's not even an unusual interpretation of the show known as the "gayest show ever."


erikaj - Jan 07, 2010 9:29:25 am PST #6026 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, I hadn't thought of it, pre- Buffista(like so many things) But it makes sense. Also, the one I got to first, about women hiding who they are/ our power. And now I totally want to write Bewitched/ Mad Men again...it totally doesn't help that Roger's hair makes me all "Oh. Larry Tate." despite the fact that I find him far more attractive.


Aims - Jan 07, 2010 9:31:29 am PST #6027 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Bewitched can easily be read as the tensions of being gay and passing as straight in a repressive American culture.

And also as a commentary of the changing of the power-holder in a given household as women were becoming less and less satisfied with the choices being given to them.


msbelle - Jan 07, 2010 9:32:41 am PST #6028 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

was it consciously making those statements or are those put on it in hindsight?


tommyrot - Jan 07, 2010 9:33:13 am PST #6029 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So what can you read I Dream of Jeannie as? Or I Love Lucy?


Amy - Jan 07, 2010 9:34:21 am PST #6030 of 30000
Because books.

I like Aims's take, but I think it was mostly something you could interpret after the fact. No way to be sure, but I doubt they were going for anything more than cute and funny.


erikaj - Jan 07, 2010 9:37:25 am PST #6031 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

I have, in all seriousness, read essays about both of them as proto-feminist(ish) statements...This woman named Susan Douglas wrote this whole book called(iirc) "Where the Boys Are" that's just full of stuff like that. I'm not sure I always agree, but she's passionate and has a fun style.


Connie Neil - Jan 07, 2010 9:37:55 am PST #6032 of 30000
brillig

In the tv series Bewitched, I was always fascinated by the witches' culture, how Samantha would occasionally get disgusted with the normal world, transform herself into that black dress, and go hang out with Endora in that smoky, misty area. I was a clueless, mentally amorphous lump back then, and I'd like to see those bits again--but without the suburban-hell sections. I need a Good Parts Version.


Scrappy - Jan 07, 2010 9:38:21 am PST #6033 of 30000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

A lot of it was probably unconscious--but it did have a character who had a special quality but was going to be shunned by society for showing it and that tension is what drove the comedy. It's not just what the intent of the makers was, but the underlying reasons why THIS show out of all the shows on the networks that year, became a huge hit? What did people respond to? The writing is mediocre to good (clearly not up to the standards of say, I Love Lucy, in terms of comedy) and the plots are very predictable, so what was it? Why do people still find it interesting?

Not to mention Paul Lynde was a regular.