It's simple. I slap 'em around a bit, torture 'em, make their lives hell...Sure, the nice guys'll run away,but every now and then you'll find a prince like Spike who gets off on it.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


megan walker - Jan 21, 2008 7:28:46 am PST #4506 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

The only thing is there will be a lot a lot of driving. Those places are not close to each other.

The real problem is Bryce and Zion, which are only two hours apart, too far to use one as a base. I can't see any way around two nights here, drive a few hours, two nights at the next place, etc. I don't mind changing places like that, but it might be too much moving around for my friends. I love driving. And my father made us do crazy road trips when I was younger (like SLC to SLC in 2 weeks via Calgary, Vancouver, and Victoria!) so I'm used to that.

None of us have seen any of these places except the Grand Canyon.


msbelle - Jan 21, 2008 7:28:55 am PST #4507 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Doctor of Osteopathy. They have training in both Western and Eastern treatment.

huh, so now to decide if I want that or an MD at the same practice.


Jesse - Jan 21, 2008 7:31:04 am PST #4508 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I could be off, but it's something like that, for sure.


Hil R. - Jan 21, 2008 7:37:19 am PST #4509 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Osteopathic medicine is a branch of medicine based on the premise that the primary role of the physician is to facilitate the body's inherent ability to heal itself.

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Ginger - Jan 21, 2008 7:42:18 am PST #4510 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Osteopaths don't really have the same level of education as MDs. Their philosophy is more holistic, which many people like, but there's some criticism that they're less likely to prescribe medicine or surgery, which can be good or lethal. I would think that being in a practice with an MD would mitigate that.


hippocampus - Jan 21, 2008 7:42:43 am PST #4511 of 10001
not your mom's socks.

--Zion seems less interesting somehow. The scenic drive has been closed to traffic except for a free shuttle and Zion seems to be something that can be done relatively quickly (as opposed to Bryce Canyon where the lodge seems a bit nicer and sunrise photos the thing to do). Is this right?

We had the opposite experience, and I would love to go back to Bryce for a longer time than the 2 hours we were there. The colors and formations are amazing. Same with Moab. (also, never having been to the GC, a stay at the main lodge is on my wishlist)

But I'ma speak for Zion as it has a major place in my heart. From memory - 14 years back - There are good campgrounds and some fine affordable motels. there are formations like Moab, and deep canyons (one they use as a concert venue). Colors range from roses and pinks all the way on up through granite, and the top of the park is a huge (4wd) plain of green - you wouldn't know what was just below you if you hadn't seen it yourself.

They have drumming concerts in one canyon. There are some lovely (though not legal - or warm, right now) swimming holes.

And then there is the Narrows. One of the most spectacular places I've been in the southwest. [link] no idea if it's open in winter.


msbelle - Jan 21, 2008 7:54:33 am PST #4512 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

The Dr. office is closed. poop.


Hil R. - Jan 21, 2008 8:02:22 am PST #4513 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Osteopaths don't really have the same level of education as MDs. Their philosophy is more holistic, which many people like, but there's some criticism that they're less likely to prescribe medicine or surgery, which can be good or lethal. I would think that being in a practice with an MD would mitigate that.

From most of what I've heard and read, that's less of an issue nowadays. And they've got four years of med school plus residency, and lots of them do residencies in the same programs as MDs.


tommyrot - Jan 21, 2008 8:06:16 am PST #4514 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Awesome xkcd comic:

The Data So Far


Tom Scola - Jan 21, 2008 8:11:03 am PST #4515 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Hecubook xpost: [link]