Like The Apple ?
Mal: You want to tell me how come there's a statue of you here looking at me like I owe him something? Jayne: Wishing I could, Captain.
'Jaynestown'
Buffista Movies 6: lies and videotape
A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.
Polter-Cow - Mar 30, 2008 8:48:28 am PDT #4784 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Sean K - Mar 30, 2008 9:16:27 am PDT #4785 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Yeah, I have Gris' problem too when trying to define theater, film, TV and other collaborative efforts as art. Something primarily created by one or two people is a little easier to define as art, though I also agree with bon bon that the line between art and craft is fuzzy at best, and possibly even nonexistent.
I guess collaborative efforts are also art (and craft), it's just much more difficult to define who the artist is. As le nub points out, you almost have to address both the individual contributions and the effort as a whole. And the combinations there are endless. There are countless examples of how a single contribution can elevate or sink an entire project, how a true ensemble can overcome poor source material or seemingly insurmountable obstacles to achieve the sublime, and how a collection of individually stellar artists wind up turning out complete drek.
le nubian - Mar 30, 2008 11:06:38 am PDT #4786 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
I have watched every ep of In Treatment on HBO and while I think it is good tv, and solid craftmanship, the episodes with Paul and Sophie are ART. They are beautiful and stirring and just marvelous. I would likely say the same thing about Paul and Alex and Paul & Gina (w/ or w/o Kate).
The other permutations are good, but I am not sure they CONSISTENTLY reach the level of ART. Some of the reason for that are actors' choices, writing - and perhaps directing (and note: because of the premise of the show, the sets don't vary, so you can't blame them), but damn if you can't see the value of good acting and directing in an enclosed environment...
Laga - Mar 31, 2008 11:37:07 am PDT #4787 of 10000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
le nubian - Mar 31, 2008 4:51:26 pm PDT #4788 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Beyonce is playing Etta James?
WTF?
Bad call.
Jessica - Apr 02, 2008 4:09:21 am PDT #4789 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I can't decide if this is better suited to this thread or Other Media, but my husband is friggin' hilarious. (Not an April Fool's prank, I promise.)
Frankenbuddha - Apr 02, 2008 4:20:49 am PDT #4790 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Put it in both Jess. That is a riot!
Steph L. - Apr 02, 2008 4:52:37 am PDT #4791 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Jess, that is HYSTERICAL!!!
Jessica - Apr 02, 2008 7:53:47 am PDT #4792 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
lisah - Apr 02, 2008 7:55:19 am PDT #4793 of 10000
Punishingly Intricate
ION, Real Sarah Marshalls don't like these movie posters.
hah! yeah, i have a friend who is one of those.