The problem with Michael Bay movies overall, for me, is that he appears intent on positing the human species as too dumb to live. Blow stuff up all you like, bub, but don't piss up my leg and tell me it's raining.

Please, feel free to make my points for me. Not an artist.

Hec, how do you define artist? I agree with Nutty's suspicion of the romantic and tortured definition making the whole point.

Whatever Michael Bay is, I think there's a lot more legwork to be done in terms of assessing the frequency of mental illness in the arts and outside them.

I want to do one of those magazine pages with the two axes -- artistic and crazy. So Van Gogh gets to be way over in the artistic/crazy area, say -5 on both axes, and I'd put Michael Bay at -1 on artistic, +2 on crazy, or so.

Does that make any sense without a picture?

I'd put Michael Bay at -1 on artistic

Where would you put your UPS guy? Margaret Thatcher? Your high school math teacher?

It does once I figured you didn't mean axes chop chop but axes lines.

It does once I figured you didn't mean axes chop chop but axes lines.

Bwah! I had this same issue.

Is it like the crazy/beautiful one on HIMYM?

I have the suspicion that "famous" correlates with "crazy" more than "artistic" does.

e.g.: [link]

Celebrities have more narcissistic personality traits than the general population, and people with narcissistic tendencies seem to be attracted to the entertainment industry rather than the industry creating narcissists, according to a groundbreaking study

Where would you put your UPS guy? Margaret Thatcher? Your high school math teacher?

+5, +5, +1 -- in my head "more artistic" is on the left side of the page. Not sure why. I do love my UPS guy. And my favorite hs math teacher was more artistic than you might think.

Like this thing: [link] Only awesomer.