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Buffista Movies 6: lies and videotape

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A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.

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Jessica - Mar 12, 2008 4:15:37 am PDT #4254 of 10000

And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Well, at that point, we're in FictionLand anyway, so I think it's not so much a hallucination as a...I don't know. A literary device?

It's one of those moments that I think illustrates exactly why this movie was a valiant effort at adaptation, but fails on some very fundamental level to make the transition from page to screen. I can't remember the last time I spend so much of a movie thinking, "Wow, I bet that worked really well in the book," and so little thinking "Wow, this is working really well in this movie."

Amy - Mar 12, 2008 4:33:51 am PDT #4255 of 10000

Because books.

I ... couldn't finish the book. And man, I tried. It's a fabulous story, and I usually like McEwan, but it was so incredibly (read: boringly, self-indulgently) dense and slooooow. I only got about a third of the way through.

Steph L. - Mar 12, 2008 5:27:02 am PDT #4256 of 10000

this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Well, at that point, we're in FictionLand anyway, so I think it's not so much a hallucination as a...I don't know. A literary device?

Oh, yeah. I didn't think about that.

So, anything within the movie that is NOT from Briony's direct POV is probably fiction-within-the-movie?

That makes my head hurt.

Jessica - Mar 12, 2008 5:35:12 am PDT #4257 of 10000

And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

anything within the movie that is NOT from Briony's direct POV is probably fiction-within-the-movie?

Everything that happens after Robbie goes to jail is Briony's fictionalized account, IIRC. There are "real" facts sprinkled in, but the story is entirely told from her novel.

Steph L. - Mar 12, 2008 5:36:24 am PDT #4258 of 10000

this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

There are "real" facts sprinkled in

Like her becoming a nurse?

lisah - Mar 12, 2008 5:48:37 am PDT #4259 of 10000

Punishingly Intricate

Like her becoming a nurse?

I think that was real. I feel like I read the book as everything past his real death was fictionalized but before that was real. It's been years though and I'd have to reread.

Steph L. - Mar 12, 2008 5:50:38 am PDT #4260 of 10000

this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I feel like I read the book as everything past his real death was fictionalized

Well, I remember that in the interview at the end, she said that she had to get first-hand accounts of Dunkirk from people who were there, so I can see how that would have been fictionalized (i.e., even though it was pre-Robbie's death).

Okay. Making more sense now.

Sue - Mar 12, 2008 1:21:59 pm PDT #4261 of 10000

hip deep in pie

Deathly Hallows is going to be two movies, and David Yates is going to direct both parts.

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Kevin - Mar 12, 2008 1:27:58 pm PDT #4262 of 10000

Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Keep... The... Cash... Cow... ALIVE!

Polter-Cow - Mar 12, 2008 1:30:44 pm PDT #4263 of 10000

What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ooh. I'm all for that. They were going to do that with Goblet of Fire initially.

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