Mal: So we run. Nandi: I understand, Captain Reynolds. You have your people to think of, same as me. And this ain't your fight. Mal: Don't believe you do understand, Nandi. I said 'we run'. We.

'Heart Of Gold'


Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Typo Boy - Dec 06, 2006 2:15:02 pm PST #4860 of 10007
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I've read that the Vietnam war wasn't so much about "communism taking over" as Vietnamese nationalism asserting itself, and as a result of our obsession with fighting communism we missed this fact.

Basically true, though the one of the things the Pentagon papers revealed is that actually our government did know this. It is not so much that we missed the fact, as that we ignored it. Of course there was a sense in which it was thought to be a real threat at the time. If the U.S. government let a nation go communist without punishing them for it, there was the danger that others would follow their bad example. That was the real domino theory.


Jessica - Dec 06, 2006 2:18:14 pm PST #4861 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

robotic infant with self-replicating nanobots and inserting an advanced neural net of molecular computers running a FreeBSD based OS with extensive self-learning algorithms that's GROWING INSIDE OF JESSICA!!!!

Please. If I were growing a robot, I'd do it safely inside a uterine replicator like any normal Betan citizen.


Steph L. - Dec 06, 2006 2:20:22 pm PST #4862 of 10007
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Please. If I were growing a robot, I'd do it safely inside a uterine replicator like any normal Betan citizen.

....or maybe that's what you WANT us to think!

Okay. I go drink beer now.


amych - Dec 06, 2006 2:21:30 pm PST #4863 of 10007
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

If I were growing a robot, I'd do it safely inside a uterine replicator like any normal Betan citizen.

Well, sure. Just like Gud himself did.

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I mean, come on, people, all the Leif stories...?


Liese S. - Dec 06, 2006 2:21:59 pm PST #4864 of 10007
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

You know what I think would be a good idea? If we didn't ignore things we knew. I'm just saying.


Strega - Dec 06, 2006 2:31:17 pm PST #4865 of 10007

We know that we shouldn't ignore things that we know, but we've decided to ignore that.


Sheryl - Dec 06, 2006 2:32:14 pm PST #4866 of 10007
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

One more holiday gift acquired. We saw this cute lidded bowl at the Jewish Folk Arts festival a few weeks back, but didn't buy it then, thinking we'd see the artist at another show soon. She wasn't at that show, but we tracked her down, found out the bowl was still available, and ordered it. Yay!


Hil R. - Dec 06, 2006 2:57:19 pm PST #4867 of 10007
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The Singing Nun is on TCM. I am now hopelessly earwormed with "Dominique." (And somehow, I know the French lyrics to this song. I don't know why I know the French lyrics, but when I start humming the "Dominique, nique, nique" part, the next phrase that jumps into my brain is "S'en allait tout simplement." I don't have any memory of ever learning that song, in any language. It's very odd.)


Kathy A - Dec 06, 2006 3:08:34 pm PST #4868 of 10007
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Going back to all the Iraq stuff from this afternoon, I'm in the middle of reading the latest Time magazine, and there's a sad, but interesting, article on the increase in urban crime in the past year, especially in the middle-large cities such as Milwaukee (40% increase in homicides in 2005). A big reason cited in the article is the decrease in police on the street, due to (a) loss of federal funds that have been siphoned into Homeland Security and Iraq, and (b) many cops being in the National Guard and sent to Iraq without replacing them in the force.

So, when factoring in the deaths in the "war on terror," add in those homicides in cities across the country that most likely would have been prevented if 911 calls could be answered in minutes, rather than several hours.


brenda m - Dec 06, 2006 3:23:03 pm PST #4869 of 10007
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I've read that the Vietnam war wasn't so much about "communism taking over" as Vietnamese nationalism asserting itself, and as a result of our obsession with fighting communism we missed this fact.

Basically true, though the one of the things the Pentagon papers revealed is that actually our government did know this. It is not so much that we missed the fact, as that we ignored it.

I'm not sure this is much of a distinction - ignored v. discounted because we were focused on what we thought was the bigger threat.

Of course there was a sense in which it was thought to be a real threat at the time. If the U.S. government let a nation go communist without punishing them for it, there was the danger that others would follow their bad example. That was the real domino theory.

Well, yes. What other domino theory were we discussing?