there should be a fannish SWAT team on site at all public appearances by actors

"SWAT? What does SWAT stand for?"
"Stand for? Nothing. We're swatting these idiots so hard it needed asscaps."

Wait. There is Weasley twincest?

Are we talking sad-wrong incest fic a la Simon/River, or more of the twincest-yay! type of a thing? If it's the latter, what the hell? I mean, I haven't read the books, but my understanding (via fandom osmosis) is that Weasleys are a genial and an uncomplicated lot. Is there some weird subtextual thing I don't know of?

I gotta say, I've been finding myself increasingly wigged at the "anything goes" mentality of fandom, prudish as that may sound. There are also people around me squeeing about ME-verse actor-fic (and not delusional barbie-shippers either--these are bright, talented, usually reasonable people), and I find myself bugged way more than I have ever been about popslash, toward which the most I've felt was indifference. I dunno if I'm being hypocritical or what.

If it's the latter, what the hell?

Well, you know...fandom.

I gotta say, I've been finding myself increasingly wigged at the "anything goes" mentality of fandom

It's been, what, four years, since I ventured out of Nikita and into the world of fandom at large, and I think that there's definitely been an increase in that mentality since then. t shrug

My completely-unsupported guess is that it's boundary-pushing. Used to be that writing slash gave you the chance to feel subversive, if you wanted to. (DISCLAIMER: PEOPLE WRITE SLASH FOR MANY, MANY REASONS.) Now, not so much. So if you want to be all "look how wild and crazy I am" incest is a logical next step.

well, yikes.

The guys who played the Weasley twins were 15 when the first one came out.

So if you want to be all "look how wild and crazy I am" incest is a logical next step

That, and also people trying to get heard over all the noise. If you're a mediocre writer (or even a good one who just hasn't built a reputation yet), it's *much* easier to get people to read your stories if you're the one person writing Fred/George than if you're Ginny/Harry shipper #397. Even if people read out of morbid curiosity, it's still attention.

Yeah, good point.

My completely-unsupported guess is that it's boundary-pushing.

That, and also people trying to get heard over all the noise.

That makes sense, I guess, given that we *are* talking about fandom. That's....kind of ooky. I don't usually care enough to give a damn about stuff that's going on in fandom, but this pings a little above my "huh, so that's the new fad. Eh....whatever." radar.

The reason you might be feeling more squicked by ME-verse actorslash than popslash, Vonnie, is that popslash has just been on your horizon longer. I know that's what's true for me-- right now, just as you said, a lot of bright, talented people I watch are bandwagoning with pleasure to ME-verse actorslash, and I'm feeling the same distanced queasiness I did around the idea of popslash before I joined LJ and friended people who happened to often mention popslashy ideas, casually and positively.

I've gotten used to it; I can get used, probably, to anything. I remember not that long ago when reading Jane St Claire's Lost Boys fic had me a shaking mess at my computer-- the stories were hot and lyrically beautiful, but they were about incest between siblings, and, Jesus, that's such a visceral and serious squick for me I was caught between aesthetic appreciation, arousal, and serious disgust.

(I still think those stories are wonderful, from an aesthetic and meta-aesthetic viewpoint-- I love art that does that to me, pulls me that way; like Patricia Smith's poem "Skinhead" which is the scary and beautifully imagistic narration of a neo-Nazi. Wonderful, and absolutely upsetting.) (And the bad-wrong intersecting with the compelling and beautiful-- that is possibly my biggest literary kink.)

But now I'm kind of used to incest as a particular method of hitting the bad-wrong. I was idly reading (I have this obsessive-completivist OCD thing; if there's a link on my friends list, I have to follow it) this ME-verse actorfic slashing NB and his brother Kelly, the other day. And this story wasn't as good as JSC's old story; but it had several things that would have made it something I enjoyed (biting and emotional revelations, ba-dump) if it hadn't been, you know, about real people. Or a slasher's conception of real people, anyway. It seems like such an *awful* thing to, essentially, accuse NB & co of doing. I was doing the same I-am-so-shaken and this-is-sexy thing as before, tho' less with the sexy (not as well-written a story) and more with the shaken (real-people incest), so I don't think I'll, you know, go back to the story again.

(I see a *lot* of people doing Fred/George. I see a lot of people who are intrigued and turned on by Angel/Connor. That, actually <perversity badge> is a 'ship of mine! although in a very different way from the people who are writing, like, Angel/Connor schmoop. Now *that* disgusts me. ... I would be willing to talk about how I see Angel/Connor as something actually very present and viable, but maybe this site isn't the place for it?)