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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


P.M. Marc - Jul 31, 2003 11:26:51 am PDT #6022 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

What used to be the heart of Hollywood?

Beats the fuck out of me. Whatever mythic place just west of Cordelia's Silverlake apartment they declared as the Hyperion's location.

We drove through Reseda on our way out of L.A., but I can't remember how long it took us to get from Burbank to Reseda because I was fiddling with the MP3 player so we could play Screenwriter's Blues. (There was a vague temptation to get off the 101 to look around, but as we were on our way to Camarillo for the night, it didn't happen.)


P.M. Marc - Jul 31, 2003 11:28:44 am PDT #6023 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

People? Is it a really bad idea of me to ask Gaiman in his journal FAQ thing about whether he'd be upset, hypothetically speaking, about people writing fanfic based on his works?

IIRC, he has been asked that before, and I think he's slightly wigged by the notion. But, this is old memory working. I'd email the divine Roz, and ask her instead.


Fay - Jul 31, 2003 11:30:44 am PDT #6024 of 10000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

That's probably a good idea, actually. Or, with me being shy and all, maybe I'll just ask her when I hook up with her in a couple of weeks. Yes. That's probably a better plan.


Kristen - Jul 31, 2003 11:38:39 am PDT #6025 of 10000

How long does it take to get from "what used to be the heart of Hollywood." to Reseda?

Theoretically? 30-40 minutes. Actuality? I'd say an hour and a half.


P.M. Marc - Jul 31, 2003 11:45:25 am PDT #6026 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Theoretically? 40-45 minutes. Actuality? I'd say an hour and a half.

Thank you kindly.


Consuela - Jul 31, 2003 12:19:52 pm PDT #6027 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

As I recall, Gaiman's not utterly anti-fic. He thinks it's an acceptable way to learn to write, but he's more supportive of original work.

He's not Anne Rice, for instance. And he has written fic, since he wrote a story set in the Matrix universe, although that was, as I recall, upon request.


Fay - Jul 31, 2003 12:36:54 pm PDT #6028 of 10000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

The thing of it is, though, that The Sandman is totally about storytelling, and about playing with narrative - blurring the lines between symbolic and literal, between fact and fiction. Gaiman doesn't just incorporate other people's fictional characters (from comics and from myths and folktales and plays etc) but he also incorporates real people. It's like an Uberfanfic thing, in a way. And A Game of You in particular plays games with reality and dream and reshaping other people's narratives and shit like that, but it's all about that, all the time. And the fact that Thompson's At Death's Door pulls a Rosencrantz and Guildenstern on Season of Mists underlines this for me - that storytelling and narrative games are explicitly what it's all about. Jebus, Gaiman's even a character in the comic himself, and I know they've drawn other Vertigo people into it too - and with The Tempest you've got Gaiman, Morpheus and Shakespeare all explicitly working as mirrors of one another. And the reader is sucked in as a character at times, with the use of the second person. It's all a big multilayering viewpointy thing. Um.

I'm not being very articulate, but I am being very soapboxy. Hmm. Sorry about that.


Nutty - Jul 31, 2003 1:50:41 pm PDT #6029 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Plei is mostly me, with her comment about completeness. A TV-verse, and even sometimes a movie-verse, can feel like a world, and sort of meander and not have a story for a while, or drop one story (or character) and pick up another. Whereas most of the bookverses I've read feel like beginning-middle-end, and anything I were to add to it would pretty clearly not fit, except as "wouldn't it be nice" speculation (a topic I generally avoid).

Which is not to say there aren't bookverses that meander and world-build -- there used to be a whole series of Darkover fanfic short stories published in book form -- nor that TV series or movies aren't sometimes so seamless that I can't insert anything.

There was a point when I used to speculate about soap opera fanfic -- full of holes and dropped threads! -- but then I realized that with daily shows, you have to write your fanfic really fast.


P.M. Marc - Jul 31, 2003 1:59:43 pm PDT #6030 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

He's not Anne Rice, for instance. And he has written fic, since he wrote a story set in the Matrix universe, although that was, as I recall, upon request.

Plus there's the whole Narnia-slash thing.

I've read his commentary on fanfiction-as-writing recently enough (and I still think he's dead wrong about it, but that's neither here nor there), but my main mental hiccup is how he, personally, may feel about things being written about his own universes. And I seriously recall him being perhaps squirmy, as in, knowing it's out there, and being both flattered and mildly disturbed at the same time.

And the reader is sucked in as a character at times, with the use of the second person. It's all a big multilayering viewpointy thing. Um.

I know, but I still see it as complete in and of itself. Every thread in place to lead to the final scenes, and what not. A series of fragile connections that would be disturbed by the slightest alteration in course. It's part of what I love about it.


§ ita § - Jul 31, 2003 2:02:23 pm PDT #6031 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A series of fragile connections that would be disturbed by the slightest alteration in course

But don't you find there are a lot of non-canon violating things untold?