Um, well, we listened to aggressively cheerful music sung by people chosen for their ability to dance. Then we ate cookie dough, and talked about boys.

Giles ,'Get It Done'


Natter 32 Flavors and Then Some  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


msbelle - Feb 11, 2005 11:02:25 am PST #6375 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

ok I did the math, my housing costs are 26% of my gross and 35% of my take home.

2 years ago I was paying 17.5% of my gross but I think that is the best ratio I have ever had in NYC.


Sue - Feb 11, 2005 11:05:17 am PST #6376 of 10002
hip deep in pie

From flickr, mappr: [link]


Jesse - Feb 11, 2005 11:09:27 am PST #6377 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My college friends and I have always talked about what we make -- what's been interesting is seeing how different industries work. One friend was making money like non-profit me for years and years before she finally got the big bump. And it was BIG. I know I'll likely never match my for-profit friends, salary-wise, but I also know I make way more than most people, and I live a perfectly comfortable life.


Kristen - Feb 11, 2005 11:10:25 am PST #6378 of 10002

This is part of why it pays to change jobs.

Believe you me, I have tried. For some reason, I have had the worst luck ever in the LA job market. My review is in March and there will be a serious talk. If they don't cough up the dough, I am finally in a place to say, "Take this job and shove it."


Kathy A - Feb 11, 2005 11:11:11 am PST #6379 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

My rent is 22% of my gross, 30% of my take home.

I was surprised just now when I did a mortgage calculation of a hypothetical $150K 2BR condo only a few miles from work, and saw that if I could come up with a $5K downpayment, at today's rates (if my credit rating would get me those rates, which is a big if), the mortgage payment would only be an additional $125 a month. Of course, that doesn't include the condo association fee, which is usually another $100-200/month, nor any repair costs that are currently covered by my landlord.

I think I'll keep renting for a while...


brenda m - Feb 11, 2005 11:11:42 am PST #6380 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

My rent is 24.5% of my gross. I could pay less in another neighborhood, though.

I don't usually consider my student loans in my debt tally. Or rather, I do, but it's a sort of separate category. I've paid off most of my accumulated cc debt though, and now my priority is cleaning up stuff from long ago when I was young[er] and [more] irresponsible.


Jesse - Feb 11, 2005 11:12:03 am PST #6381 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My review is in March and there will be a serious talk. If they don't cough up the dough, I am finally in a place to say, "Take this job and shove it."

Good for you! Seriously, I know it's not that easy to just say "well, get a new job!" but this coworker was wack, staying like she did.


beth b - Feb 11, 2005 11:14:13 am PST #6382 of 10002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

my salary is public record I make about 21,500 a year - part time. i guess what I find scary is that at full time - I couldn't make it out here on my own, at least not by staying in our house.

In general, I don't talk about money we make or debt. We hve the morgage, the car and the credit card debt. only the cc debt bothers me. I can't pay the cc down fast enough to make me happy. I could throw the saveings at it. ( that would deplete savings by 1/3 to 1/2), but our savings is right at the 6 months level. I have promised myself that if we make it to july with out dipping in to the savings - one or two credit cards will be paid off with savings.


Kristen - Feb 11, 2005 11:14:19 am PST #6383 of 10002

This job was an entirely new field for me so I never had any idea what was fair pay. But noticing that everyone who found out what I made tended to respond with the drop of their jaw kinda clued me in.


Jessica - Feb 11, 2005 11:14:44 am PST #6384 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The last guide I looked at said that rent should be 12.8% (oddly specific) of your gross pay.

I've heard 30%, but it was from a friend, and I don't know what his source is. (And it's higher in high-rent areas like NYC, SF, etc, though I'm not sure if the averages for NYC include the outer boroughs.)